March 3rd, 2008

Episode 70: Checking Our Guts

This week: We interview Tarek Saab, president and CEO of T. Saab Media, LionHeart Apparel, and author of the new book “Gut Check”. We visit the cu|metro stops for this week, and answer some backChat.

Joshua | Posted in CU Podcast | 10 Comments »

  • http://anglopapist.wordpress.com/ Marco

    Just a quick congratulation to Josh for his hapax legomenon: (35:39) “misconfuse”. Not just leaders in Catholic New Media but also in the English language!

  • http://www.khemraj.org Mr Krishna J Khemraj

    Karl is a cradle Catholic BTW. For more info on him, http://www.ignatiusinsight.com/authors/karlkeating.asp

  • http://anglopapist.wordpress.com Marco

    Show notes??

  • http://www.defendingcatholictruth.com Josh

    yeah shownotes are coming…with my hectic shecdule its been hard to find ten minutes to do them but hopefully today!

  • http://richestmaninassisi.blogspot.com Jason

    So, if Karl Keating’s a cradle Catholic, he was most likely Protestant for some time before reverting, right? :)

    That “Gut Check” book does look interesting. I noticed all ten reviewer on Amazon gave it five stars, including a few who were skeptical of the book’s premise.

  • http://www.catholicunderground.com Father Chris

    ah, “misconfuse”. Isn’t that like adding two negatives? When I heard it on the show, I had to chuckle! It’s okay Josh, you’ve still got a mic at cu!

  • Joe

    just a small note on Mr. Saab — It was good to hear the interview (he gave one also on IPadre). My one comment on Mr. Saab’s ” what will get me to heaven” and the “me” orientation of the approach. Ought it be ” what can I do that will give glory and praise to God” ? It may be splitting hairs and what one does to get to heaven will give glory and praise, but its the “me” first in his statement that gave me pause. I hope his actions will speak louder than his words.

  • http://onemanseyes.blogspot.com Ed from Texas

    Gentlemen,

    Karl Keating certainly knows more about Catholicism that I’ll ever hope to, so it’s with great reserve that I challenge him, and you, on this point about statues/images. First, let me be clear that I agree fully with the RCC’s stand that making statues and images is a way to honor Jesus, Mary, and the saints and is not idolatry.

    However, I think Karl was incorrect with his scenario (at least, as I heard it on the podcast) that the Jews did not sin by making the golden calf. I think he both makes and misses the point in the same idea. As I’ve recently learned in a moral theology class from my Archdiocese, there are several components to the moral act, and intent is one of them. In Exodus, the Jews didn’t make a statue for decoration, or to give honor. They made it because the expected it to have divine power in itself. Thus, I would conclude that, even before they began whatever worship ritual they came up with, they had sinned already in the making of the calf.

    Which leads me to the second point that I think the Fathers should clarify. In citing scripture, it was pointed out something along the lines of “You shall not make a graven image AND worship it” suggesting that the AND was the critical part and that, without both elements, a sin does not exist. I don’t think that’s the way it should be laid out. For, from such a premise it would logically follow that, if I were walking down the road and found a golden calf off to the side, walked over, and proceeded to worship it, that I would not be guilty of idolatry because I didn’t MAKE the image and worship it. Now, clearly, that would be false. It is the intent that is the key. I think it would be useful for you gentlemen to clear this up in a future podcast.

  • http://www.cybercatholics.com Joshua

    Ed,

    Thanks for your comments. One thing I would watch out for, however, is that you seem to be judging Old Testament acts by New Testament Theology. For example, you assume, and rightly so that three things must be present for a mortal sin: intent, grave, full will. There is a problem though with applying these sorts of standards to Old Testament morality. You’re right that part of the problem was that they made the statue with the intention of worshipping it but the point Keating was trying to make is that Protestantism takes this passage of Scripture to point out that Catholic shouldn’t make statues because Scripture prohits it – it doesn’t – the prohibition is against false idol worship so therefore making an image alone isn’t the problem (this is also pointed out by Dr. Scott Hahn.)

    The Second point is again the point that you seem to be judging the Old Testament events by today’s standards. The likelihood that Jewish people would be walking along the side of the road and randomly find a golden calf would be highly unlikely. The point that Keating is making is that it isn’t necessarily that one has to make the idol – the point he’s making is that Protestantism is focused on the making of the idol and neglects the real point of the passage – worshipping the Idol.

    The intent is clearly the problem to begin with and that’s the issue at hand. Catholics use icons and statues but they don’t worship them and this is clearly allowed by Scripture.

  • http://onemanseyes.blogspot.com Ed from Texas

    Joshua,

    I definitely agree. In truth, it’s only been in recent years that I’ve learned about the misreading of the Bible by some Protestants that leads to the conclusion that images/icons/statues are prohibited. A clear understanding of the scripture shows that this is a false conclusion. I understand that this was Karl Keating’s point to illustrate.